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The boat is stored in Bethanie, 1h30 East from Montreal (Canada).
contact : gregory.perrin87 (at) gmail (dot) com
Gull Wing type, medium flex, naked plank – does not include chocks nor top plates. Plank is 15′ long x 12.5″ wide at the boat mounting location x 2.5″ thick. Has stiffener on underside with about 2-3/8” crown. 500# centrally placed results in 7/8” deflection. Too long for my Arrow#422, too short for my Skeeter.
Located in Muskegon Michigan.
Asking $425 obo.
Contact Jim @ firstname.lastname@example.org
DN and Nite Parts and goodies for sale:
The photos give the information (price, description etc.)
If you cannot enlarge the photo’s to see the tags, please call me in Muskegon, Michigan at 231 215 0764 for details. All items are either new or in excellent condition.
Not shown in photo’s is a used Nite sail with wood battens for $150
DN gear for sale:
- 2019/2020 North sails max power lightly used, excellent condition $750
- MBC/Kent Female tooled hybrid blank tube stiff- $1200
- Sherry mast complete- $1200
- Aluminum boom blank (Oval gold) $250
- DN Planks $125-$350
- DN wood Strip/composite masts $175
- Pre-bent DN hull sideboards $350
- Jablonski (Kent cut-away) chocks
- Assorted stainless standing rigging and adjusters
Possible delivery to DN Western Region or National Championships
DN with trailer.
1979 Hoot built DN Ice Boat with trailer. We are the third owner. Ready to sail. Great starter boat. Includes canvas cover. Aluminum mast and boom. Freshly painted.
Asking $2,500 or best offer, complete and ready to sail.
Willing to sell the DN without the trailer.
Delivery can be discussed.
952-475-2139 or email@example.com.
Skeeter Runners for sale:
Side runners: 55″ long, 4″ wide wings, bolt housing is 5.5″
Front runner: 37″ long with a slick removable parking break.
The craftsmanship of these runners is very impressive and they are in excellent condition.
1 set short 3/16″ runners 30″, unknown steel: $700
1 set 36″ x1/4″ insert runners, older Sarns-type steel: $ $600
1 newer Quantum JD Speed sail $700
Contact Bob Rast 414-791-3056
Currently located in northern WI, this Nite (#104 built by S&R Marine), was sailed in December 2020 on Crab Lake. All parts are in good condition. Sail and hull covers, extra racing seat plus chocks. Always stored indoors. No trailer however, if not sold beforehand, I do plan to transport the boat to Oconomowoc WI.
Location: Presque Isle WI
DN: 12′ hull, 95″ plank, 114″ boom, 189″ mast.
Runners are included but not shown in pictures
Boat is in New Jersey, 109 Parkway Exit
Asking Price $750/best offer
For information contact firstname.lastname@example.org
ABSS 2016 Good shape, standard battens, custom batten adjusters, bag. Good all around sail, has a wide range $600
FO-1 2014 Good shape, standard battens, custom batten adjusters, bag. Good in light air and/or sticky ice $500
Contact T Thieler for more info or to take a look
401 258 6230
Yankee – B Skeeter comes with 23′ mast, 2 sails, 1 full and 1 storm sail. 2 sets of new runners 1/4 and 3/8 440 stainless. Also 25′ carbon mast and 25′ foot carbon sail. Runners and mast built by Bill Buchholz. Full covers for everything and trailer with big box to fit everything. Plus lots of accessories.
Call or text Keith Kennedy 732-496-3511
Skeeter and trailer.
Very fast Skeeter includes everything, trailer, sail, runners, and newer cover, etc. Cables and wood in good condition, the trailer needs some work but functional, the cover also needs to be mended. Exceptional boat, lots of fun, just downsizing our boat collection.
DN 5173: Sarns bullnose and old set of lead-Ins. Fresh sail, West Michigan fiberglass mast. Mid weight plank. Hull is teak plywood with clear Sitka spruce sides. Boat is ready to sail and race.
419 764 0432
Ray Ruge designed A Skeeter. Built by Hagarty in the early 60’s. Owned briefly by Buddy Melges and carries his sail number. Square top added to sail, new steering, and stem block. New hollow plank built to the same section as the fuselage. Sails fast and balanced. These boats were built in limited production and this is the only known sample still sailing. New enclosed trailer. Runners sharpened and aligned.
Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnarey/albums/72157714158938948
In Maine. $5200.00.
Contact David Jones 207-542-7280 email@example.com
Class A Skeeter
One set of runners already ground down flat to .280 thick
3 Practice sails
2 Brand new North Sails (1 All purpose and 1 Flat / Heavy Air).
Full envelope travel cover as well as cockpit cover for the pits.
26 Ft. Mast which seems to provide plenty of power.
22 Ft Plank.
All aluminum trailer hold 2 programs.
Original boat built by Dan Clapp.
If you ever though about sailing one of these boats, now is the time!
Great boat – Great price! $19,000. Located in Pewaukee, WI.
Contact Mark Isabell @ 262 347-1685
Renegade sail. Quantum AP, no battens. Crispy, low hours.
six zero 8 2 1 three 555 seven
C Skeeter. Solid boat, many new parts along its life. Sail in VG condition.
1 set of runners, covers and wood cradle to store or slide onto your trailer. Will be
at “Nite Holiday” at Puckaway next weekend. (Dec 26, 2020)
$2500 or make offer.
Renegade Number 280. Very nice shape, quality parts and build, racing sail, will have out sailing on first ice. Madison Wi.
$4000.00 without trailer
$4500.00 with trailer
Includes two sails – the original Nite sail and a Sin-Bad sail. Both sails are over 10 years old but in good condition.
The Nite mast is the original built by S&R marine 1980.
Sale will include parts to land sail if desired. Nite currently configured for iceboating.
Icefall: All West System B-Skeeter built by Bob Pegel about 1990.
Refinished two years ago, less than five days outside since.
See the www.Boecraft.com FOR SALE page for more pictures and
This boat is 100% ready to sail in like new condition.
Inquiries to firstname.lastname@example.org
Yankee (B Skeeter) built in 1956 part of the duty dozen.
Asking $3,500 or best offer
Nite Sail (Madison area)
Melges heavy weather sail from Ignite #386, great condition, includes battens and bag.
Asking $600 OBO
608 628 6189
The Fritz, Class A Stern Steerer.
1980 hull built by Bill Mattison, 3 sets of runners, 2 steering runners, hull & plank covers,
tandem trailer with crane & storage boxes.
1465 lbs less runners & sails
Ready to sail!
Profiled and honed race ready runners
- 1 pair Sherry 36 inch 440C inserts w/ padded Harken bag $1250 new $1500 no bag
- 1 pair 100 degree 3/16 36 inch inserts w/ padded Harken bag $950 new $1450 no bag
- 1 set Sarns swept nose plates in box $550
- 3 36 inch 440C inserts in runner bag $1200
- 2 1/4 36 inch Sarns inserts w/ bag $650 new$1400 no bag
- 2 1/4 36 inch 440C inserts w/ stiffeners and bag $450
- 1 set slush runners $450 in box
- sidecar equipment box $65
- Grizzly runner sharpening machine $500 includes light box
photos on request
- 1 racing hull w/ Harken blocks, curved wood tiller and cover. $2350. new $3800 no blocks, tiller or cover
- 1 backup hull w/ Harken blocks, sliding tiller, cover $1950
- 1 Sherry C2 carbon mast w/ bag. $1650. New $2300 no bag
- 2 set adjustable shrouds w/ mast rotators $325 each
- 3 planks w/ double studs and super chocks $325 each. new $1325 no chocks
- 1 Norton fiberglass mast. $500 includes adjustable stays
- 1 aluminum boom w/ Harken blocks and dual diameter sheet rope $425
Photos on request
High-end DN program.
Kent CSI Balsa/Glass hull – bullet strong
Carbon CSI bow tang – best available
SS bow chock – Wire EDM, strong and attractive.
Original Ti adjustable step – My design copied my some guy in WI. My step pin is titanium
Ti “Team PISS” hull plates
Harken T-track deck block assembly – Best available
2 planks with Jablonski chocks. One Ash, one Birch – Very nice 180# skipper.
CC mast, Ugly Stick for 180# skipper – Excellent shape.
2 sails, Quantum JD Speed, North F01, – Great condition.
Custom wood boom with Harken blocks – Highly functional.
Runners, World class inserts, plates & angles – Talk to me
Covers for everything
NA Gold fleet, 3rd, 5th, 8th
4-Lakes Grand Slam 1st
Boxes of regional top 10…
$6200 OBO no runners, (Let’s negotiate. Runners are world class)
Complete ready to race
Always stored inside
Custom aluminum deck hardware
Buffalo , NY
DN: Carbon fiber mast, hollow plank, speed sail and regular sail both with battens, plate runners, fully adjustable boom, adjustable stays. Raced at Worlds and numerous other regattas.
(716) 208-3525 or
Buffalo, New York
Class A Skeeter
Want to beat JD, Yaeso, & Orlebeke?
Want to win the ISA? It’s simple.
Just write me a check.
INSANITY is in MINT condition.
She’s won the ISA 4X.
She sports a new foam & carbon fiber runner plank.
THREE sets of brand NEW runners with carbon fiber stiffeners.
Three sails. Race ready. Sharp runners. $50,000.
Stored indoors, 3 barely used sails (Jim Gluek custom sail, and Charlie Miller CL1), custom made trailer, jack, 2 covers, one to haul and a winter cover. Extra battens, custom seat, S&R slider on boom, tapered main sheet, 2 sets of Harken ratcheting blocks on boom and deck. Excellent condition.
Willing to deliver within a reasonable distance.
Yankee B Class Skeeter
Built in Groton, CT in 1970’s.
Boat moved to Kansas, was stored until 1999.
Boat completed at this time.
Sailed about 15 times, good condition
Class D Stern Steerer
Have 4 sails. Has trailer. Trailer has a box for 1 sail and boom.
Contact Marv Luck at
920-982-2256 please leave message and will return calls
Or email Mluck2@att.net
DN: Gougeon plan,West System construction,Harken & Sarns hardware,D Shettle window sail, alum. mast & spare spruce mast,spruce runner plank w/spare plank,plus spare hardware.
DN: Hull made in Poland, wooden, race-ready
Plank: Icewise Hamrak for 85 kg skipper
Mast: Hamrak Type 50 for 75-85 kg skipper
Insert Runners Long with Hamrak Carbon body 440C blade
Located in Chicago. Pick up possible there or at the next occasion on the ice, probably at the Western Challenge.
Contact: Peter Hamrak, email@example.com
Ray Ruge designed A Skeeter. Built by Hagarty in the early 60’s. Owned briefly by Buddy Melges and carries his sail number. Square top added to sail, new steering and stem block. New hollow plank built to the same section as the fuselage. Sails fast and balanced. These boats were built in limited production and this is the only known sample still sailing. New enclosed trailer. Runners sharpened and aligned.
Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnarey/albums/72157714158938948
Contact Bill Buchholz 207-975-6980
“Icehound”, Class A Skeeter. Built in 1993. Sitka Spruce construction with custom veneer tail. Comes complete with springboard, mast, plank, runners, sail, cover and trailer. Ready to sail. Always stored indoors. No damage history.
Located in Des Plaines IL.
Contact: Michael 815-814-2145.
Lockley Skimmer in New Jersey. Steel frame in good shape, mast, sail and runners.
Make an offer.
Skeeter boom-78″ X 12″-$100
Boom clew plates-aluminum, powder coated-$35
Trailer box-24″ wide one end, 18″ wide other end-24″ deep-7′ 9″ long-$50
Free-Renegade trailer bunks
Fast & true, really great boat! Good condition hull, sail, sharp runners and trailer.
2 new blocks and line, nothing needed. Selling to free up needed garage space, Asking $3,250 obo.
Please call 608-843-3550 or Paul@BlueTerraDesign.com
DN includes a wood spar and a carbon fiber spar, 2 sails – one brand new and one used, and a double set of runners.
Located in Detroit, MI.
Wanted: Kent 4.1 Mast
Traverse City, MI
Eden Prairie, MN
If you are interested in sailing a C-skeeter in exchange for storing it and it’s trailer under cover contact me and we will work out the details.
Jim Olsen 505-501-2238 firstname.lastname@example.org
FEBRUARY 14, 2019
18’ minimum composite mast section. email@example.com
Boats and items that have been confirmed as sold.
SOLD! “Lady Les: – Cockpit forward A-Skeeter and custom trailer. Yellow paint.
Fuselage with carbon-fiber over wooden frame originally built by Bill Madsen for Peter Harken; spars from Ken Kreider’s rumble seat Skeeter.
Sitka spruce spars: Mast 26′; Runner plank 22-23′; Long spring board 154″; short spring board with mechanical spring shock 103″
4 Side runners: 5′ x 7/32″; 6′ x 7/32″; 51″ x 7/32″; 54″ x 3/8″
4 Steering runners: 34″ x 7/32; 35″ x 7/32 36″ x 7/32; 35.5 x 7/32”
2 Sails: one heavy air 75 sq ft; one regular main 74 sq ft.
Complete rigging with 3 horses; and one lifter.
2 new integrated trailer gear storage boxes 3′ x 8′
Blade sharpening jig for long blades with integrated belt sander.
Stored last 12 years and will need some clean up, adjusting, and TLC.
SOLD! Beautiful racing DN in like new condition. This is a “clone” boat which was built to match the hugely successful Composite Concepts (C2) boats built by Ron Sherry. This most excellent ready-to-race package includes: Like new Sitka spruce hull, max length, max width, with C2 carbon tiller, C2 carbon reinforced steerer tube, C2 hiking rack, Harken blocks on adjustable track, and C2 Mold and Design mast step.
– C2 Carbon insert runners, 3/16”, set of three, in custom padded carrying bag.
– Bullnose stainless plate runners, 3/16”, set of three
– C2 Carbon mast “Ugly Stick”, stiffness and rider capacity similar to C2 standard mast
– Dieform adjustable shrouds with T bar Struble hound.
– Aluminum boom with easily adjustable block locations and out haul
– Quantum sail, full, like new
– Quantum sail, speed, like new
– C2 plank with Strubel chocks
– Harken padded travel bag for hull
– Covers for mast, sails, plank, and boom.
It would cost well over $11,000 to put this package together. I am offering it for the bargain price of $5250. You won’t be disappointed.
SOLD! Nite #373 for sale, built in the 1980’s
Hull is in like new condition, never painter, repaired or left in the weather.
3 pristine, clean, crisp sails. Sails have had minimal use.
2 sets of cockpit cushions.
Extra set of new stays.
2 Jofa helmuts.
Sarns runner sharpening jig.
Ice screw and 3 horses.
Padded runner carrier.
Trailer with new spare tire.
SOLD! Nite in Montana
The boat is “STORMIN” which came from Michigan, and now lives in Montana (Bozeman). It’s in good condition. Includes full set of covers, a Nite sail, straight mast, and full set of cockpit cushions. Runners not included; no trailer. Its been fun – selling because I have too many boats; downsizing! Always stored indoors.
SOLD! Class-A Skeeter with trailer and full covers. Good, solid iceboat.
Clear Lake, Iowa
Turnkey iceboat, ready to sail this season with no work!
MUST SELL, no longer have room to store the boat
Located in Southampton, NY (eastern Long Island)
Always stored indoors
One of a few “Bite Me” boats (BITE ME in large letters is on the bottom of the boat, visible when you hike)
Meticulously restored by Keith Kennedy of NJ
One of the nicest looking Yankees you will ever see, all in outstanding condition
23ft mast, 18ft plan
Custom seat cushions in cockpit
Amazing paint job, pin striping and lettering
Dual steering, wheel and foot pedals
Two hull covers (storage and on ice)
Covers for plank, mast and sails
2 sails (one racing, one cruising)
Two sets of stainless runners (like new)
Custom trailer with storage box for runners and tools
Originally $6,500, price lowered to $4,500 firm
SOLD! Race-ready US DN 5397
Hull custom built for 145-lb skipper at Nordhaus Boatwerks in 2007.
Restored, refinished hull and new tiller courtesy Team Minnesota in 2019.
Three Ron Sherry insert runners (two 3/16″ sides and low profile steering).
Bob Rast “Twizzler” mast and mast bag.
Dariusz Kardas masthound
Stays and bag
Baltic birch and ash plank
Dave’s Machining chocks
Harken adjustable blocks
North Sails F01 and bag
Boat cover, ice screw, setup hardware, sharpening stones.
2 Older DN ice boats in good condition.
(1) Traditional and (1) Banjo.
Newer Sails, 2 sets of runners (Insert & Plate) for both boats, wood masts and booms. Sarns hardware.
Ready to go with 4 year old custom, all aluminum trailer for hauling and storage. Lightweight enough to roll out on the ice.
Blue boat $1,800
Green boat $1200
Trailer not available until both boats are sold then ($3000) or $4900 for the whole package.
Traverse City, MI
This boat is the boat you’re looking for if you want to win now. The boat is tuned and comes with the special parts necessary to win at the top level.
Sitka mast shaped by Dick Slates
Plank and spring board by Terry Erwin
Plank by Peter Slocum
Inland AP sail
North heavy air sail
Extensive batten collection
2 sets of runners
2 place Trailer with box (3 sail capacity) and self-loading system
SOLD! Complete Nite with one sail #150, one set of runners, covers, painted red. Trailer best used only locally. Full boat cover. Cockpit cushion. 2 sails. 2004 North Sail lightly used, still crispy. 2nd sail decent shape. New wood mast, solid. Plank is solid and in good shape. A 2nd wood Nite mast included. Always stored indoors. Crack in fiberglass rear port corner, photo available. .
$2000, OBO, ready to sell.
Great boat to help someone get into the sport.
“Lady Bug” – Nite Iceboat #230 with trailer
Cockpit and side cushions.
Complete rigging with 3 horses.
Two side runners, one steering runner, with blade sharpening jig.
Two new extra runner chocks.
16″ x 8′ gear storage box on trailer.
Spare trailer tire.
Stored last ten years and will need a little clean up and TLC.
DN: Ready for ice. This boat was raced by Fred Shappert on Delavan Lake before I bought it. It has been well cared for and loved but I am getting too old for this sport. Included are a Norton hull with baby blue cockpit, Norton mast, Kenyon Marine boom, sitka plank, all with canvas, trailer able bags. Sarns runners with wood box. Sta-Master calibrated adjustable forestay. Stainless steel shrouds. Sail with red right foot sailmaker logo, with DN1530 number. Sail bag can double as hull cover. Sherry sliding tiller. 2 main sheets- chain-stitch and regular. Karavan trailer in great working condition (1 7/8” ball, 4 blade connector) which is rigged to be able to transport two DN’s with box to carry equipment. Spare tire. Also wench and bunks which can be put on trailer to use it for small sloop. 3 triangle pedestal stands.
Nite Iceboat #126 with 1 yr old use on trailer
Complete rigging with 3 horses. New stays.
Two side runners, one steering runner.
Very good condition. Sail intact very good condition. Cockpit cushion has slight tear.
Always stored inside, has canvas cover. It’s a great boat and we have many exciting and fond sailing memories!
Located in Lake Geneva, WI.
Arrow Ice boat in very good shape. It has been stored in garage for years and could use some cleaning and a little wax. Fiberglass hull, aluminum mast, runners, bolts and box, runner plank, Boston sail. I don’t have pictures of it set-up, but I do have a lot of pictures.
Battens For Sale:
Do you want to go faster and be more competitive? I have a solution for this season. Battens made from quarter-sawn white ash, tapered to your requirements. Made in Wales, Wisconsin.
Send inquiries to firstname.lastname@example.org / taliesinbatten.com
Moore Brothers CSI
CSI combines technology and the experience of world class competitors totaling at least 10 World Champions into all of it’s products. Whether it’s a small fitting or a spar, performance is the underlying goal.
David L. Yeadon
402 Milwaukee Ave.
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
Dave’s Machining offers a large range of DN parts. Call or email Dave for a price list.
Econaway Abrasives Company: Custom Sanding Belts
Econaway has been fabricating sanding belts since 1953 in Grand Haven, MI. We provide belts for custom runner sharpeners in any size. We carry the best ceramic materials to sharpen hardened stainless steels and tool steels. Give me a call (Jim Schultz) at 616-846-2550 to help with your specific application or order from our secure site at www.econaway.com.
Gifts For Iceboaters
Look no further than this website for the perfect gift for the ice sailor in your life.
Gretchen Dorian Photography
Professional photographer Gretchen Dorian’s iceboat pictures have appeared in many major magazines. If you are looking for a gift for an iceboater, check out Gretchen’s website.
Harken Yacht Equipment
Home of the famous Harken blocks. Based in Pewaukee, Wisconsin, the Harkens are naturally ice boat skippers.
by Marketing Acuity
Hull numbers and ice boat graphics. Great looking vinly graphics to complement and enhance your craftsmanship. DN hull numbers, boat names, country flag graphics, and custom graphics. Be visible and safe with fluorescent safety stripes and graphics. Easy, secure online ordering.
As seen at the November swap meet in Williams Bay. This jack is a real back saver and it is adjustable to work on DN’s, Nites, and just about anything with a plank.
Complete set of plans: $10.00
Kits which include the plans and all the wood parts cut to size: $35.
3156 Milwaukee Street
Your supplier for Sitka spruce, West System Epoxy, and many other ice boating related items. The McCormick family has been sailing ice boats with the Four Lakes Ice Yacht Club for over 50 years.
North Sails Zenda, WI
“Melges is very pleased to announce that the Zenda, Wisconsin based organization is ready to be able to be able to help the iceboating and land-sailing community of sailors with new sails, battens, covers and other racing materials.”
262-275-1110 ask for Harry Melges, Andy Burdick or Jim Gluek.
Northwind Ice Boats
80 Twin Fawn Drive
Hanover, MA 02339
FAX (781) 826-2474
Steve Duhamel’s company offers a complete line of DN parts and gear.
“For 14 years Bob Rast and RKR Composites have been developing composite DN masts. The end result is their line of extremely durable, competitive DN racing masts available at affordable prices.” Custom Runner Sharpeners available too. Call for pricing. 414-791-3056
Performance Sailing Products
4LIYC DNer Geoff Sobering has thrown his hat into the ring of the ice boat supply business. “Cool parts for fast sailboats, iceboats, and landsailers.”
Phone: +1 608-235-3746
1850 Sheridan Street Madison, WI 53704-3443
We hold the trademark and manufacture of the Skimmer 45® (formerly Lockley Skimmer 45) Iceboat. We are also a Vanguard Dealer, so we can meet your sailing needs year round.
T-HOUND / MAST ROTATORS
The T-Hound / mast rotator / spreader bar fitting that you may have seen in action on DN 5224 (the neon yellow boat at the 2007 Worlds) is now available. There are a number of makes and models in use but if I may say so, this version is pretty sweet. It all but eliminates mast inversions, is very clean aerodynamically and allows full articulation at the shroud attachment. They look good too! Available to fit either T-Hound (Kent) or tang-style (Sherry) mast hounds. Designed for DNs but at least one is in use on a Jet 14. We have them for sale- Call or email for pics and price! email@example.com
Composite DN Masts “Using Technology to build better parts.” Now making Ice Opti youth ice boats.
Ullman Sails Detroit
“We are proud to announce the opening of Ullman Sails Detroit – formally North Sails Detroit. All DN Sails are built and designed by Mike Boston. The F01, ABSS, MS-1 are constructed with 6.5 Contender Polykote, to the exact specifications and high quality standards provided in the past. Contact us today to place an order for the fastest DN iceboat sails available.”
Ullman Sails Detroit
24422 Sorrentino Court
Clinton Twp, MI 48035
Suppliers of custom gear boxes for DN and Nite iceboats. Wire rigging, fiberglass supplies and custom composite work. We also do custom iceboat painting as well. 608-575-8033
W5302 Bend Rd
Princeton, Wi 54968www.windwardboatworks.com
The ST 49 is a small,inexpensive, open design, box rule wingboat class. Initial testing has the STprototype hitting over 71mph Cruising speed- 60mph in 15 mph winds. If you want to build your own mainwing and flap I’m selling complete rib kits for- $170.00. Patterns – $30.00
John Eisenlohr firstname.lastname@example.org telephone- 406 844-2168
Light weight (3 oz.) and compact (5″ x 3″ x ¾”) ultrasonic wind meter uses patented technology to read current wind speed, highest positive speed (headwind), lowest negative speed (tailwind),
5-second average, and running average.
Yankee Ice Yacht Plans
For complete set of Yankee blue prints, contact the Yankee Ice Yacht Association c/o Mark Hancik, 305 Dey Grove Rd.
Monroe Twp., NJ 08831
732 446 4377
The cost is $75.00 US plus shipping, there are 26 pages of prints and all the frames are drawn to full siz